December 15 2011
list of people
Victoria Occupy Chattanoga Controling GAs
Summer Occupy Santa Cruz They have training there in Santa Cruz
Summer email = occupyhope2012@gmail.com
Summer phone = 260-786-5683
Social Network for the Occupy Wall Street Movement of which I am an administrator of =
www.miccheck.us been talking to NYCGA, Daryl there told me NYCGA is considering going national with MicCheck. I encourage you to also! Looking for admins, group leaders, contributors, etc to assist.
Working Goups and GA’s can be done over chat – looking to incorporate Maestro Conferencing too. and also have the bettermeans platform connected… a way for us to LITERALLY have a Direct, People Powered and Mandated Collective Governing Platfrom.WhooHOO! :)
Richard Occupy sf GA resructure team
Janet occupy oakland has facilitated lots of the years mostly consensus, has not facilitated a ga; many issues with occupy oakland GAs being facilitator-heavy, using wired mics; she is on the subcommitee
Dennis occupy the hood tacoma has experience with GAs and is here to learn
Louise has experience with facilitating, issues: Crabbiness stradegies– how to de-escalate crabbiness, sending unwieldy proposals back to working groups and contentious proposals that are not reaching unity back to working group–anyone do that or anything else that works ,progressive stack push back about that
Cal occupyoakland member of mens group that has collected facilitation facilitated here to support collabrative facilitation member of facilitation committee occupyoakland
Janet occupy edmundton has facilitated lots, emotional highjacking at meeting, time hogs, agendas into time blocks working group updates templetes for the GA what the roles are
Misha occupy toronto creating a stack and what it looks like, rules issues interesting process and how to make it clear for other participation in the meeting people upset at facilitators
Ternura Occupy spain (take the square), how to not have emotional but rational GAs meeting, I would share -if needed- some experience in coaching (assertiveness, transactional analysis, decision making traps) in order to avoid complaining about the system and start offering solutions
Stew north kipsap air force communications specialist here to help with technology Hes sacred to death of whats going on in the country and wants to help in any way he can.
Mischa
Jerod occupy reno he jumped into the facilitator position trying to get better handle on GA and progressive stack, emotional highjacking, people are very emotional about the issues and we need to try to empower people and responsibilites not being delegatred
Elan occupy nelson british columbia 20 years facilitating never a GA has sat in on a few troubleshooting and want to get to the meat of the meeting
Janet occupy detroit use to facilitate small groups here to listen and learn and offer suggestion
Mas from Martha’s Vineyard has partipated in OWS GAs organizer on difficult to introduce a new way of communication for the Occupy group on Marthas Vineyard
Jay occupystanford occupy palo alto has facilitated lots of meeting 12 People voted to hold this meeting (Faciltation) Weekly on thursdays The time 12noon PT /3pm EST
The meeting on Wed Dec 21st is separated for ppl with timing issues??
If any one is a professional facilitator please put experience down on the pad, when you
want to get on stack
go directly on the agenda items throughout the meeting we are all here to learn and we can make mistakesWed dec 21
3-4 suggestions about agenda items if you hear something you like
JAY is asking if any one is a porfessional trainer (facilitator) to write that down here in this pad
Janet point of info we need a stack taker
23 people on the call
doing stacks is better and you can call on people randomly
people can use mastero to facilitate conference calls or alternate
May I introduce mumble: Spain and UK are holding successful meetings there because the quality of sound is better, it is an Open Source software and very robust
Instructions: http://takethesquare.net/2011/10/04/mumble-setup-walkthrough/
Download: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ http://mumble.com
host: mumble.democraciarealya.es
port: 64738
Channel (or room): Occupy
I offer myself to help you to “get in”, my email: ternuros@gmail.com My local time is 6 hours ahead NY
An alternate server:
host: tomalaplaza.net
port: 64738
Channel (or room): International
We hold international CoC calls on Sundays (Jay the facilitator of this meeting organizes them as well)
Michael didn’t have experience before does now. Seattle is experiencing challenges making good decisions in situations where Working Groups may perceive themselves as separate from “the GA.” e
Steve Buckley cape cod sounds like a lot of people are unfamiliar with new england style town meeting and that the GAs are trying to do 99% the same thing as Roberts Rules of Order (which you can google). Someone interjects that she (Louise?) strongly disagrees with Stephen’s thought. Stephen replies that he looks forwards to discussing the topic on the google-group.
something to talk about on google group
we’ve been on the call for an hour and we are still on the intros, need to move it along
How long are we going today 1 hour twinkle the hour
if we need to extend beyond an hour
stew is not on pad yet
Problems getting on the titanpad because it’s a hard one to figure out
its already created already
titanpad.com/facilitation-training
googlegroups you can find the national facilitation groups
facilitator willing to stay around for tech issues later
how to get on stack
dennis stack
emotional highjacking time blocking
stack
should we build together
Janet oakland stack
dennis taconma stack
dennis facilitaors role hand signals are used but people tend to ignore them better flow at meetings if people would recognize the hand signals
building the agenda right now
progressive stack
janet occupy oakland she has been to occupy wall street and san francisco occupy oakland using voting instead of consensus some of what is being suggested may or may not apply
discussion on progressive stack
name topics on list
p[rogressive stack crabby people emotional highjacking and GA process
Jinica edmoundton combining issues (jenika ;)
Richard occupysf lots of problemsand with GA people very controlling
not ok with that
you can add your agenda
we can take it in order, if you have a solution you can interject at that time
greg is unsure how to proceed
Jenika
list of consolidated items be said again
the progressive stack roles and responsibility purpose for each memeber of the facilitation team what kind of facilitator roles of facilitators
louise stack
AGREED AGENDA for Today:
1Progressive Stack
2emotional hijacking crabby people
3GA roles and their uses
4GA process time blocks
order that they are listed in
First point: Definition of Progressive Stack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack
“Designed to ensure that people from marginalized groups get a chance to speak”
call on stack
michael stack
jared stack
mas stack
jenika stack please? strategy
janet stack
summer stack
are we on the progressive stack now
8 minutes left on to
Louise : Lucky to have nice libertarian ppl, but they pushed back with prg-stck Asking 4 strategies to sort this out
progressive stack not welcomed so far in GA peoples whos voices, if anyone has any stradegies
clarifing question what does progressive stack designed to ensure that everyone can speak people in minority need to be heard
Jenika people in a circle when I do stack writes their name down alot of people do not know when hands are being raised, eye contact cruical, small group only
michael ading to definition on progressive stack: quieter voices and those who haven’t speokn yet in addition to race gender other minorities. push back rarely comes from minorities. resitance to progressive stack sometimes lessens once people realize it’s about everyone getting heard. The quiet voices element sometimes helps counter pushback.
cal in oakland we have it where people have to line up to get on stack
Jerad agrees his in oakland berkeley and davis, idea behind on stack is to avoid cross talk allowing everyone to have a voice in the process tricky to acknowlege people and letting people speak
Genral ammeblies and meeting turn into
how are we doing on time?
3mins
Matt process changes depending on how many people are in meeting, he keeps track from people who havent spoke at small groups as the group gets larger have 1 or 2 assistant facilitators
Summer we say if any
janet at oakland theres a smoking section right by the ramp and they are having people run up. facilitators limit the stack, they decide how many people can get on stack
at the GA a proposal for progressive stack, some people do not want to identify themselves as minority
10 minutes is up
next issue 2 emotional hijacking and/or crabby people
summer
jared stack
janet
jancie
dennis with tacoma he has to go and will be in on the next one
louise
thank you! =)
summer she leaves the GA when someone gets crabby no violence when we are upset we are getting upset at ourselves, she walked over and hugged an angry guy and his anger turned into tears! She thinks we should have a rule about non violence she’s unsure what to do
THAT IS THE BEST IDEA EVER!! Awww! ( i think thats dangerous. people
who get rescued don’t deal with thier own behaviour) I hear ya on that!
cal stack
difference between emtional highjacking and crabby people
do we have a group hug? the group decides
Emotional highjacking is when someone takes over the GA with their issue
crabby people is just being negative while speaking
emotional highjacking for us is when someone is very heated about an issue and takes up the time of the GA peace kee Summer/Cynthia Occupy Santa Cruz (CA):Save yourself a bunch of time and check out the resources at http://www.NCDD.org (National Coalition for Dialogue & Deliberation) and thehttp://www.IAP2USA.org (International Ass pers is what they use in occupy sf
jared not much to add on the question of rules it depends on the crowd emotional highjacking we can soap box portion on ga
janice detroit tricks when some one is negative, say things like I hear you are very angry but right now we need to get on to louise off stack
Janet occupy oakland the proposal process itself is adversrlial and pro and cons. Cons can be very negative
Some people dominate and get on stack over and over; some people will come up and grab the mic; you have to go on a stage in order to talk. SOME OF THE FACILITATORS LIVES HAVE BEEN THREATENED she liked the group hug thing
cal co facilitator main and co faciltator to help people who are less experienced set the group up repeated to remind people to cooperate with each other, time constraints saying something about peacekeepers
another hand signal disruptive cluster
hold up hand signal if they think people are highjacking and then you let the speaker know
Janet stack
janice stack
would like to move forward
alternate suggestion more time on this issue
victoria chattanuga great info and will be back next week
we will stay on topic em
cooperation with peacekeepers and facilitators to keep things moving i
peacekeeping sounds like a great idea be accountable to each other and the process when people get emotional we can have workshops for non violent communications
enav\bles people to continue with bad behaviour because they get the attention they were seeking. we have to be in control
maya stack
cal stack
cal wanted be careful of our language and not dominate. facilitators need to acknowledge that there is we need to
Someone (name plz) offered a more pragmatic solution: speech to the attendees (from the moderator?) stating that the GA is not a group therapy session, that we are there to work, and those who are not ready should not participate (please rephrase)
suggested that
Reccomend: occupyvoice, group of ppl that are able to speak to others who are worried about the economy, etc non violent language Link here:http://www.occupyvoice.com/
http://occupyathome.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/occupyvoice-a-resource-for-everyone-affected-by-the-occupy-movement/
they have not muted their call please ask again… maybe we can all remain silent until this person mutes themselves. this has been going on the entire call. :(
heard a suggestion to speak about the GA roles and time block
Next item:Next item: GA process/Time blocks
It is important to explain the structure of the Assembly so that people are aware of how it works
It also has to do with our ability to admit that there is little time for every one to speak
Janet from Oakland they have a time keeper, also closing stack serves as a way to control time; sometimes it takes time at the beginning to get quorum; sometimes people leave once their favorite proposal gets presented and then quorum is lost
In SF: Large sing describing the signals
Porposals distributed in adavnce so that people review-discuss-decide (closed GA)
ON AGREEMENT: our rol as facilitators…..agreements, not rules. facilitators serve the group. group ownership…. thank YOU
Things vary from place to place, suggestions from other places do not guarantee succesess when applied to other Assemblies
Janet in response ……there is a dynamic at OO where some ppl feel that facilitators are a group that has too much power. When it comes to changing the process it is not clear whether the facilitation working group can decide or whether a process change has to go through a proposal to the general assembly.
Jay on Porotocols <> gidelines
Don’t want everything to be protocol as it is difficult to change
Gidelines are flexible
Within our movement we are creating systems that reflect (replicate) the inflexibilty of the system we want to tackle (fight?), Jay has some notes about how to better this
Next call: Wed 21st 4pm PT/7pm EST
Further meetings: Weekly thrusday
It was suggested to have more levels of facilitator training
One session earlier o before the meeting to show newbies how to access documents, how to connect
Jay answered that we will be working on that later on
This was supposed to be an intro call anyway
It would be great to have the links to trainig docs
We need to recruit thousnds of facilitators around the US and the world
Jay asks for someone to volunteer to co-facilitate and help sending the emails,etc
There are calls fo specific training to use the maestro service (Ternura offers herself to give one on mumble server)
Jay pointed out the importance of having experienced facilitators who volunteer to take over the facilitation of this group
Janet suggests we choose co-facilitators, stack keeper, and note-taker for the next meeting at each meeting
suggest on the next agenda: one topic as a training topic and the rest of the topics about GA process
way tooo many people are talking… the only person talking should be the facilitator unless we are called on
point of process
it wasn’t clear that we were building the agenda before… and i have an item to add.
agenda item I would love is turning the energy around from PROTEST to “Celebration!” like an awakening party. I’d love for this occupy movement to be knows as the wakning up of all people, rather then us saying NO to what we don’t want… saying YES to what we DO WANT :)
This is kind of all over the map here
Inter-Occupy management call
Jay:
ga@wc.tc
(415) 323-5833
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